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From: Sash \| Posted: 6/20/2004 7:55:50 PM User Level: Administrator
I updated them a lot yesterday and it is important that you read them. Just click "Rules" on the left hand side. They ban sharing of accounts and passwords, using scripts, (or "auto-buyers") proxies, etc.
From: Anna \| Posted: 6/20/2004 8:32:44 PM User Level: Administrator
"auto-buyers" - A clear ruling required here Sasha, because what some people refer to as an auto-buyer, is unclear. If I am using the refresh function on mozilla to update the page, is that illegal? I might be viewiewing another page at the time, or I could be in bed. Give a clear ruling on this please? The auto refresh part of mozilla, and a number of other browsers, is not a script, but does automate browser functions. ---- Venus - Home of The Dark Queen and her Evil Bitches
From: Anna \| Posted: 6/21/2004 5:55:44 AM User Level: Administrator
This is in all seriousness... The "Homer Simpson NON script, script" In accordance with the ruling you have made.... quoted here... "Scripts are defined as something that perform a automated process without you being there to do it yourself. While script blocking techniques have been implemented, it may still be possible to use scripts. However, scripts are strictly against the rules and may not be used under any circumstances." ... the Homer Simpson NON script, would be a script. Does anyone remember the Simpsons episode where Homer worked from home? He used a dipping bird to continuously punch the 'Y' button on his keyboard, so that he could sleep and appear to be working. If I set a dipping bird up to hit F5 (refresh) would that be against the rules? It is not an automated process, as such, in that it is independent of the computer. Yet, it is an automated proces, in the sense that I am not here to control it. Call the shot Sasha. ---- Venus - Home of The Dark Queen and her Evil Bitches
From: Sash \| Posted: 6/21/2004 7:46:50 AM User Level: Administrator
Yes, anything that does performs an automated process for you (bird, program, whatever) is an auto-buyer and may not be used. ---- "The perfect computer has been developed. You just feed in your problems and they never come out again" - Al Goodman
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:02:47 AM User Level: Elite User
How have you made fn-kain stop using his thing? ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: Arcane \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:04:58 AM User Level: Regular User
Dragon, you don't even want to go there.... HA HA HA HA HA (sorry, dirty sense of humor) Arcane ---- No matter where you go, there you are...
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:12:00 AM User Level: Elite User
??? Have he quit? If Sasha deleted him, he would just do it again... ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:12:13 AM User Level: Elite User
With a new account. ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: Sash \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:22:09 AM User Level: Administrator
Yeah, he quit. ---- "The perfect computer has been developed. You just feed in your problems and they never come out again" - Al Goodman
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:42:09 AM User Level: Elite User
It seems that Earth won't win this round. I am soooo confident. Maybe even overconfident. Hope not... ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/21/2004 11:14:44 AM User Level: Elite User
My monkey butler refreshes my screen for me. But bananas are getting too expensive - I might have to let him go. ---- MARS RULES -- as a team!
From: KRONOS \| Posted: 6/21/2004 11:57:20 AM User Level: Regular User
rgent, if you outsourced the work your current monkey butler provides, to a monkey butler service in India i think you would find the strain on your resources (aka - banana reserves) reduced greatly. ---- y'ARRRRhhhhhh!!!!!
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/21/2004 1:26:23 PM User Level: Elite User
And then then next thing you know, we'd have....this: <a href="http://www.gothamcomics.com/spiderman_india/">http://www.gothamcomics.com/spiderman_india/</a> ---- MARS RULES -- as a team!
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/21/2004 1:27:17 PM User Level: Elite User
Bah. How much karma do I need to hyperlink? ---- MARS RULES -- as a team!
From: Sash \| Posted: 6/21/2004 2:45:55 PM User Level: Administrator
Sorry, but you can't share your account with monkeys either. ---- "The perfect computer has been developed. You just feed in your problems and they never come out again" - Al Goodman
From: Anna \| Posted: 6/21/2004 4:23:57 PM User Level: Administrator
No monkey, no dipping bird...sheesh. All I can say is don't expect Homer Simpson to play this game.... all that effort this game now requires. Aw come on Sasha, make the dipping bird legal. Just think, if Homer did want to play this game, he would be so distracted by not being able to use his dipping bird, and all of Springfield could be wiped out by a nuclear accident. And it will all be because you will not allow the dipping bird. How can you possibly sleep with that on your conscience? ---- Venus - Home of The Dark Queen and her Evil Bitches
From: Anna \| Posted: 6/21/2004 4:27:27 PM User Level: Administrator
furthermore.... HAS fn-kain stopped using his thing? Is anyone else using it? Is it hard? Can he use it single handedly? All the answers to these questions and more, coming up right here on the message boards. ---- Venus - Home of The Dark Queen and her Evil Bitches
From: Tony \| Posted: 6/21/2004 6:00:03 PM User Level: Elite User
I have a question about some of the rules. How exactly will you know if a player puts a Trojan on another players computer. Or how will you know if someone is using proxies? (Even though it is a waste) Or how will you know if a player is using a script that will log them onto the computer every 3 or 4 updates and buy some stock and then log off? I mean they do not even need to log on now since you can stay logged on. This makes it even easier for people to use stuff like this. Do you have ways of knowing when people use these things? If not try and find some programmers in this community that may offer their services to you and help you eradicate these problems. ---- The planet Mars cheats.
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 6:24:08 PM User Level: Elite User
Ooh. I can help... ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/22/2004 3:32:18 AM User Level: Elite User
It's log, it's log, it's big it's heavy it's wood. It's log, it's log, it's better than bad, it's good. ---- MARS RULES -- as a team!
From: Tony \| Posted: 6/22/2004 2:56:11 PM User Level: Elite User
Yeah a log will tell how many clicks and from which IP addresses that the clicks came from but how will Sasha know if they are proxies or just other people clicking. Abuses are hard to find. If someone stays only for 24 hours then you know they are using an "autobuyer" but if they set up a script that tells them to come on every 20 minutes then add say 20 seconds each time to come on and buy something how will Sasha know. He needs a moderator that will do this for him like Syncline has said. ---- The planet Mars cheats.
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/22/2004 5:26:05 PM User Level: Elite User
And how would the moderator know? If you have decent reporting tools, you can query your logs for patterns of behavior. You can also use nslookup and whois to learn a thing or two about the IP's people use, and you can compare IP's to a couple of blacklists to catch a fair % of proxies. You might have a harder time finding out who was behind the proxies, but then again, maybe all you need to look at is which accounts were touched and who stood to gain from it. It's true that nothing about internet security is bulletproof, but don't underestimate what some good detective work can do. ---- Mars cheats -- better!

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From: Sash \| Posted: 6/20/2004 7:55:50 PM User Level: Administrator
I updated them a lot yesterday and it is important that you read them. Just click "Rules" on the left hand side. They ban sharing of accounts and passwords, using scripts, (or "auto-buyers") proxies, etc.
From: Anna \| Posted: 6/20/2004 8:32:44 PM User Level: Administrator
"auto-buyers" - A clear ruling required here Sasha, because what some people refer to as an auto-buyer, is unclear. If I am using the refresh function on mozilla to update the page, is that illegal? I might be viewiewing another page at the time, or I could be in bed. Give a clear ruling on this please? The auto refresh part of mozilla, and a number of other browsers, is not a script, but does automate browser functions. ---- Venus - Home of The Dark Queen and her Evil Bitches
From: Anna \| Posted: 6/21/2004 5:55:44 AM User Level: Administrator
This is in all seriousness... The "Homer Simpson NON script, script" In accordance with the ruling you have made.... quoted here... "Scripts are defined as something that perform a automated process without you being there to do it yourself. While script blocking techniques have been implemented, it may still be possible to use scripts. However, scripts are strictly against the rules and may not be used under any circumstances." ... the Homer Simpson NON script, would be a script. Does anyone remember the Simpsons episode where Homer worked from home? He used a dipping bird to continuously punch the 'Y' button on his keyboard, so that he could sleep and appear to be working. If I set a dipping bird up to hit F5 (refresh) would that be against the rules? It is not an automated process, as such, in that it is independent of the computer. Yet, it is an automated proces, in the sense that I am not here to control it. Call the shot Sasha. ---- Venus - Home of The Dark Queen and her Evil Bitches
From: Sash \| Posted: 6/21/2004 7:46:50 AM User Level: Administrator
Yes, anything that does performs an automated process for you (bird, program, whatever) is an auto-buyer and may not be used. ---- "The perfect computer has been developed. You just feed in your problems and they never come out again" - Al Goodman
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:02:47 AM User Level: Elite User
How have you made fn-kain stop using his thing? ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: Arcane \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:04:58 AM User Level: Regular User
Dragon, you don't even want to go there.... HA HA HA HA HA (sorry, dirty sense of humor) Arcane ---- No matter where you go, there you are...
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:12:00 AM User Level: Elite User
??? Have he quit? If Sasha deleted him, he would just do it again... ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:12:13 AM User Level: Elite User
With a new account. ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: Sash \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:22:09 AM User Level: Administrator
Yeah, he quit. ---- "The perfect computer has been developed. You just feed in your problems and they never come out again" - Al Goodman
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 8:42:09 AM User Level: Elite User
It seems that Earth won't win this round. I am soooo confident. Maybe even overconfident. Hope not... ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/21/2004 11:14:44 AM User Level: Elite User
My monkey butler refreshes my screen for me. But bananas are getting too expensive - I might have to let him go. ---- MARS RULES -- as a team!
From: KRONOS \| Posted: 6/21/2004 11:57:20 AM User Level: Regular User
rgent, if you outsourced the work your current monkey butler provides, to a monkey butler service in India i think you would find the strain on your resources (aka - banana reserves) reduced greatly. ---- y'ARRRRhhhhhh!!!!!
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/21/2004 1:26:23 PM User Level: Elite User
And then then next thing you know, we'd have....this: <a href="http://www.gothamcomics.com/spiderman_india/">http://www.gothamcomics.com/spiderman_india/</a> ---- MARS RULES -- as a team!
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/21/2004 1:27:17 PM User Level: Elite User
Bah. How much karma do I need to hyperlink? ---- MARS RULES -- as a team!
From: Sash \| Posted: 6/21/2004 2:45:55 PM User Level: Administrator
Sorry, but you can't share your account with monkeys either. ---- "The perfect computer has been developed. You just feed in your problems and they never come out again" - Al Goodman
From: Anna \| Posted: 6/21/2004 4:23:57 PM User Level: Administrator
No monkey, no dipping bird...sheesh. All I can say is don't expect Homer Simpson to play this game.... all that effort this game now requires. Aw come on Sasha, make the dipping bird legal. Just think, if Homer did want to play this game, he would be so distracted by not being able to use his dipping bird, and all of Springfield could be wiped out by a nuclear accident. And it will all be because you will not allow the dipping bird. How can you possibly sleep with that on your conscience? ---- Venus - Home of The Dark Queen and her Evil Bitches
From: Anna \| Posted: 6/21/2004 4:27:27 PM User Level: Administrator
furthermore.... HAS fn-kain stopped using his thing? Is anyone else using it? Is it hard? Can he use it single handedly? All the answers to these questions and more, coming up right here on the message boards. ---- Venus - Home of The Dark Queen and her Evil Bitches
From: Tony \| Posted: 6/21/2004 6:00:03 PM User Level: Elite User
I have a question about some of the rules. How exactly will you know if a player puts a Trojan on another players computer. Or how will you know if someone is using proxies? (Even though it is a waste) Or how will you know if a player is using a script that will log them onto the computer every 3 or 4 updates and buy some stock and then log off? I mean they do not even need to log on now since you can stay logged on. This makes it even easier for people to use stuff like this. Do you have ways of knowing when people use these things? If not try and find some programmers in this community that may offer their services to you and help you eradicate these problems. ---- The planet Mars cheats.
From: Dragon \| Posted: 6/21/2004 6:24:08 PM User Level: Elite User
Ooh. I can help... ---- Aleksandr(Sasha) Ovcharenko
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/22/2004 3:32:18 AM User Level: Elite User
It's log, it's log, it's big it's heavy it's wood. It's log, it's log, it's better than bad, it's good. ---- MARS RULES -- as a team!
From: Tony \| Posted: 6/22/2004 2:56:11 PM User Level: Elite User
Yeah a log will tell how many clicks and from which IP addresses that the clicks came from but how will Sasha know if they are proxies or just other people clicking. Abuses are hard to find. If someone stays only for 24 hours then you know they are using an "autobuyer" but if they set up a script that tells them to come on every 20 minutes then add say 20 seconds each time to come on and buy something how will Sasha know. He needs a moderator that will do this for him like Syncline has said. ---- The planet Mars cheats.
From: rgent \| Posted: 6/22/2004 5:26:05 PM User Level: Elite User
And how would the moderator know? If you have decent reporting tools, you can query your logs for patterns of behavior. You can also use nslookup and whois to learn a thing or two about the IP's people use, and you can compare IP's to a couple of blacklists to catch a fair % of proxies. You might have a harder time finding out who was behind the proxies, but then again, maybe all you need to look at is which accounts were touched and who stood to gain from it. It's true that nothing about internet security is bulletproof, but don't underestimate what some good detective work can do. ---- Mars cheats -- better!